**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:10

**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:10

Nivex 🐧 📻 @nivex@octodon.social

https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

Every time I mention Wire, someone gets all up in my timeline about how it leaks metadata and that Signal is the most secure. Having to use your phone number is a pretty impressive hunk of metadata to leak, yo.

"But there are workarounds!" If your first response is to suggest a *workaround*, you've ignored the fundamental design flaw.

Of course, neither of them use #IPv6, so it's hard for me get excited about either one. I go where my friends are (firmly entrenched).

**DanySpin97** @danyspin97@fosstodon.org · Jan 20, 2018, 00:28

**DanySpin97** @danyspin97@fosstodon.org · Jan 20, 2018, 00:28

@nivex
tox.chat is missing there though.

**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:30

**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:30

@danyspin97 That's covered in the FAQ.

**DanySpin97** @danyspin97@fosstodon.org · Jan 20, 2018, 00:34

**DanySpin97** @danyspin97@fosstodon.org · Jan 20, 2018, 00:34

@nivex
Ah, seen now. Still a silly reason :(

**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:38

**Nivex 🐧 📻** @nivex@octodon.social · Jan 20, 2018, 00:38

@danyspin97 I just looked at tox.chat. Looks pretty impressive but much steeper learning curve. I think the comparison site was geared toward tools marketed at a more general audience.

If I had my way we'd all be using XMPP and possibly OMEMO. Standards are great, there's so many to choose from.