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I'm no techie, but if "major websites" are down then perhaps the problem isn't with the tech but with the fact that there's such a thing as a "major website"

There's no reason we all have to visit the same ten websites as each other every day, support the little guys

I like the way this place works, where there are lots of little sites and you can choose the ones you interact with, but they're all interlinked on a network, you know, like a kind of inter... net...?

@ak Isn't it just one host down? If I'm understanding this--and I just had coffee--it's an Amazon Web Services outage, so it's taking down a lot of sites that Amazon hosts.

@drifa It's something called "Fastly" (no, me neither)

@ak Ah, okay. First news I clicked on had it wrong.

@drifa It seems to be back now, they've woken up in the USA and given it a kick

@drifa It happens remarkably often! Stuff will be down in our mornings, and then it'll get to 8am or so in the eastern USA and it'll magically return, I guess someone gets up and goes "oh fuck's sake" and reboots it

@drifa The problem is that when there is a major outage everyone goes "oh isn't it terrible how there are like two companies that host 98% of the internet" but then when it comes back up and the opium of social media returns everyone just goes back to drooling on their keyboard and forgets about it

@ak @drifa it's fun to note, almost always when there's a ”major outage” that takes down several big sites, i don't even notice the outage in any other way than reading some second-hand complaining about how so many big sites are down :D

@ak @drifa *mumbles something about 24/7 on-call duty*

@ak @drifa I used to have a similar issue with GitHub: at the start of every month I would find that their HTTPS certificate had expired.

@ak thanks for noting this -- I think a lot of techfolk think #fastlyfail is evidence of a tech problem that can be solved with decentralization, but overlook that it's fundamentally a social & cultural problem.

@ak well I would agree with you for regular sites.
But what about newspaper sites like the BBC or Le Monde, etc. They were down aswell.
I even red that some sites of the British gov were down.
Those sites need to be available to milions of people.

@Meandres We don't all need to get our news from the same 2-3 sources either to be fair, nor do we need quite *so much* news 24/7

The British government should know better than to put their sites behind some duff CDN, but Dido Harding is in charge now, so I expect nothing less

@ak @Meandres you're decentralising in the wrong place to fix this particular problem;

this isn't about using 20 different news sources, it's about all those news sources running off a single companies web servers, because running the actual metal that provides websites is difficult, expensive and full of risk, so we pay a specialist to do it for us

@ak the woman who prosecuted him now represents firms doing IP laws. That and she went harder after him after her investments into HSBC was disclosed publicly. It torched her career pretty much. During that time HSBC did money laundering for cartels.

@ak and, she basically was most famous for showing up drunk to a presser regarding the Boston marathon bombers. Which she "prosecuted" on a nch tighter leash. Just an out and out complete train wreck and minefield.

@Abigail K 🌼 amazing, amazing, yes, that's what internet was supposed to be.

@ak A lot of instances on the Fediverse are dependent on Amazon (for media storage) and/or Cloudflare. More than half of them (if I remember correctly) are hosted on Hetzner, OVH and DigitalOcean. The Fediverse has a huge centralization problem. :blobsad:

Here’s some data about that: https://bitkeks.eu/blog/2020/03/underlying-problem-fediverse-decentralised-platforms.html

@tastytea @ak I live in hope that the fediverse is a transitional phase to a P2P web.

Imagine if people were hosting and seeding websites from the multiple devices they already have on their home network? Once the world has completed its migration to IPv6 and every device has its own address, that idea’s time will come imho.

@ak It's fine and I think those sites should centralize even further so that in case of a catastrophic data loss event they're wiped off the face of the internet.

@ak there are still a few very big instances here but that's to be expected from the 80/20 rule.

The difference is protocols vs apps.

Making an app is easy and gets you fame/brand and possibly money, but leads to centralization.

Making a protocol and convincing others to implement it and host their own servers is hard and less profitable, but it allows for interop and decentralization.

@cidney I would love to figure out a model where there was as much effort being put into maintaining shared software for running sites as is being put into building the "major" sites today. Can you imagine if as much effort as goes into developing Facebook or Amazon were being put into software like Mastodon, or open source web store software? The combined effort being put into all open source web store and social network software combined isn't a tenth what goes into either Facebook or Amazon.

@ak what a radical idea! You are suggesting that the internet should be decentralized like how it was created to be? Gasp. /s

@ak The Fediverse is definitely like a "new internet". I have this theory that you don't see much "press" about the Fediverse anywhere because all of MSM and #BigTech know it's their demise and wish it didn't exist.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Facebook, Twitter, etc. decide to claim there's bad people on here, so they can make the word "Fediverse" an "illegal" topic, like other topics they've forbidden their users to discuss.

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