Meanwhile, the EU has voted to kill the Internet as we know it and possibly aid in creating an even bigger surveillance machine in the process.

Civil disobedience is the way forward on this one. We redouble our efforts to create decentralised alternatives and if they’re deemed illegal by this myopic legislation, so be it. Fuck ’em. We go to jail if we need to.

If you had any illusions that the battle for personhood and human rights would be easier in our age, think again.


Potential Civil Disobedience could be very easy.

Simply create fake torrent / multimedia files with suggestive names such as Major_Blockbuster_720p_PirateGroup.mkv and upload away everywhere.

Seed said file as widely as possible and post magnet or plain torrent links on sites.

The whole thing can be scripted trivially and a simple PC can saturate a good amount of bandwidth.

When the Copyright Police comes knocking on your door, politely inform them of the fake nature of this file.

@ParadeGrotesque That's not how it works. They are targeting hashes of files, so, first you'd need to create a file with a hash collision of an actual pirated movie.

@amenthes Targeting hashes? OK, I'll bite.

How do you know a file is potentially infringing? I mean "my_cat.jpeg" for instance.

Do you calculate the hash every time? Costly. Very costly. One million uploads = one million hash. MD5? Nope, SHA256 at least (or risk collision).

And here is the thing: add a blank frame or two to a pirated movie = different hash. Back to square one.

These people *will* scan the file names first. Ergo, include keywords in file name. Force hashing. Crash system.

@amenthes Seriously, though: you cannot win this one. There are just too many ways of running circles around it.

This law is probably going to be applied to ban torrent and irect download sites. But nobody cares, because they will use a VPN to Belarus or something.

And remember: they have to do this for all files being uploaed, or risk missing something valuable. False positives / negatives are fiendishly difficult to process.

I still think civil disobedience is the way to go. Upload away!

@ParadeGrotesque I could forward you a legal document I received from Waldorf Frommer (german: "Abmahnung", no clue what the correct translation is!). The evidence is: someone allegedly offered a file with a matching hash, they then apparently proceed to download a tiny fraction. If it matches, you get an Abmahnung.

No clue, how "you cannot win this" is meant. I have no intention of winning anything. And Waldorf Frommer and law firms like it are winning just fine with this strategy.

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@ParadeGrotesque also, I believe you should look into how file sharing works. Torrent, for example, only works well when there are multiple identical copies available. And it is based around hashes anyway.

@ParadeGrotesque their strategy is not one of "winning every time" but of "if one in ten people just pay us good money, we're coming out ahead".

@amenthes That's very true, but we are not talking about a single law firm here... We are talking about the entirety of the EU.

The law firm you are talking about has a narrow mandate: protect the interest of a single German film-maker. And even then, I am sure they check a very narrow slice of file-sharing.

The scope of this law, and the size of the EU (+/- 500 million people) almost guarantee it cannot be applied "as is" if there is widespread civil disobedience.

@ParadeGrotesque you're probably right, in the completely generalized scenario it might work like described.

@ParadeGrotesque and one could of course extend it to have bots posting random files to twitter and similar networks. Saturate your upstream as long as you're not using it :-D

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