At #GPN19 some people developed the idea to coordinate a voluntary #ShutdownForClimate, take #OfflineForFuture of some websites/servers/services during #ClimateStrike day September 20, displaying banners instead, etc.
To stay in touch, we agreed on using a channel on the Mattermost server of #DevelopersForFuture: click “Join Us” on https://developersforfuture.org/
and create your account, then join the channel shutdownforclimate.
@zlax i will just cite one of the comments: "I accept entirely your assertion that you neither meant nor indeed did, cast aspersions as to her intent, her integrity or her credibility. But, I suggest that using the term ‘manipulated’, to some extent does exactly that. [...] Had you said instead that her actions were being hi-jacked by the (hopefully) well meaning, if erroneous mainstream Climate Change movement organisations I would have been in much more agreement. "
"Mother of Greta is Greenpeace activist, so Fridays4Future could be named as subdivision of Greenpeace."
Are you accusing Greta to be a marionette of her parents?
I do not think that an autonomous movement that is not controlled by a single entity can be called a subdivision of Greenpeace just because the initiating person has a very loose connection to Greenpeace.
@zlax As i see it, many NGOs are simply freeloaders at FFF. The same goes for Greenpeace.
It does not matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.
The Greenpeace Foundation, of which I was a co-founder back in 1972, is today simply a multi-million dollar feel-good organization. They are selling the illusion of making a difference to a gullible public.
@zlax there are really no arguments in this.
There is no similarity to the Childrens Crusade i can think of.
And aside from a close relationship with Greenpeace activists, there is no connection to people in my city demonstrating for politicians to act against climate change every friday, or people shutting down their servers to make people think about the topic, who are currently not.
@zlax i do not see the connection between electronic disposal waste and climate activism. To my knowledge there is no activism going on in that direction.
Also i can not see, how exactly climate activism is shifting the problem somewhere else. If e.g. Germany replaces coal with renewables, there will not be a shift in carbon dioxide production to anywhere on the planet. I see that it is not the ultimate solution because of solar panel production and waste etc. But doing nothing is worse.
@zlax i aggree, that these problems exist. But the alternative would be, e.g. to burn all the available fossils and then still be in the same situation, needing to use renewable energy sources. So i think the better approach to this is: switch to renewable energy sources right now and simultaneously address the problems connected with these technologies.
What alternative do we have anyway?
You might not like the fact that this is a basic demand of ecological activists.
They call for less individual consumption in all aspects.
But can you be more precise about what privileges you see as the most problematic?
@zlax okay, so you basically don't want to make life better for people but just that everyone feels equally bad, even if you make the problem worse. Sounds like no solution i want to be a part of.
@zlax if we do not force our politicians to act, than they will make this worse. I see the guilt that lies on the western world. But when the people who recognize this leave, the tyrants remain that keep this system running and will continue to exploit poor people all over the world.
Then your direct action will be stopped by some western army shooting you in the name of 'freedom'.
I do not disagree with your worldview. I disagree with letting us continue to do this, which your call implies.
@zlax And that is what we have to change. And we cannot do that if we leave them for themselves.
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