i'm not gung-ho about UBI anymore, but i will say this: you will not understand UBI until you understand the difference between work and employment

the same goes for any actual post-capitalist economy, as well: work is not the same thing as employment. there is plenty of work that never gets done because nobody's employing people to do it

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remove *employment* from the list of things you need to survive, and you'll see a lot more *work* get done

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any economic system that assumes most people don't intrinsically want to do meaningful work is empirically false and should not be taken seriously

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"yeah but people are lazy and don't want to work unless we threaten them" — this myth originates from shitty employers, whom nobody wants to work for

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@amydentata years ago I translated an interview with one of Germany's richest people on UBI (which he is a strong proponent of, though more from a libertarian slant than a socialist one)

In it he brings up that whenever he talks about the subject people go "well but won't everyone just be lazy and not do ANYTHING" and said his response to that is always "would you?"

Which immediately murders that line of argument

@outie UBI is definitely more libertarian than socialist, as it retains the private sector and does not innately do anything to break up consolidation of capitalist power

@amydentata there's a particular strain of Libertarians that loves the idea because hey, suddenly we can just dismantle all redistributive measures and public services and any other govt assistance programs

the guy isn't quite so hardline but he does make the "models suggest UBI would be cheaper and more efficient than all other public assistance programs in x state" argument which is juuust on the verge of that line

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@amydentata at the same time of course the UK is spending more money on enforcing welfare conditionality than is saved by the conditionality regime

that is, the UK is actively spending more money to systemically abuse disabled people's human rights (by UN assessment) than it would by just giving anyone who asks their benefits with minimal fuss

the cruelty is the point, etc

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@outie @amydentata same in germany

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@davidak @amydentata the unholy trinity of Schröder/Blair/Clinton

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