Imagine you are a US spy agency. You know that one of the most common responses to DDoS attacks is to move to Cloudflare, a US company that can be intercepted/subpoened domestically. Would you not want to encourage more foreign infra to move to Cloudflare, potentially even by quietly organising a few DDoS attacks against interesting targets? Not all will move, but some will, and your job just got a bit easier.
Soon you have banks, political parties, RIPE etc...
@ArneBab @schmittlauch @dukeofpearldiving We made a project announcement about our license. I've explained why - I don't intend to argue about it. Not sure why you're pushing this. "Or any later version" gives FSF control over future versions of the licence, and we do not wish to allow that. Feel free to do whatever you wish with your own projects.
@wago We've discussed that, and are likely to make it available under both GPL2 and GPL3 at some point soon, but the purpose of the change was to disconnect our project from FSF, not to change license at this time.
@ArneBab @schmittlauch @dukeofpearldiving Which license, other than the GPL, has any kind of update mechanism at all, or managing authority? None of the permissive licenses in common use do: BSD2/3, MIT, ISC etc. It's a useful feature for a complex license like copyleft, but afaik GPL is the only one to have this feature.
For simple "permissive" licenses, I guess there's not much point. For a complex license like copyleft it makes some sense to have a method for updating it, but we need to be careful choosing who to trust with it. @conservancy is probably the best equipped.
@klaatu Yes, and thanks for mentioning it. Not looking to change licenses though, just ditching the "or any later version" part that gives FSF licensing control. The GPL is still relevant, even if the FSF, sadly, are not.
@dukeofpearldiving Sure - BSD is great as a developer - means you can take someones BSD code and do whatever you want, including make a closed proprietary product with it. (hello Apple).
Not so great for end-user freedom, which is why copyleft was invented.
We're sticking with the GPL, but removing the "or any later version" part that gives control to the FSF.
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Very sad to learn that RIPE are now using Cloudflare. Yet another critical piece of infrastructure is under the control of a US company, and thus the US govt.
I voiced my objection when I was asked for feedback and am told it is an emergency response to DDoS attacks, but they are considering keeping it in place. Cloudflare can now issue TLS certs on behalf of RIPE.
Cloudflare can and do have outages, and the last one was catastrophic:
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