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Majority of the European Parliament welcomes the Commission's intention to oblige e-mail, messaging and chat providers to search all private messages for allegedly illegal material and report to the police () by 580:76:37.

will mean privatised and the end of digital . It is not only inefficient but counter-productive, dangerous and causes severe collateral damage, including to children: patrick-breyer.de/?page_id=594

@echo_pbreyer And #5 is not to ignore reality: already since some time millions of users of GMX / WEB.de do only have the option of not using the great new "intelligent inbox" feature. The new AGB requires agreement to content evaluation / metadata generation. Best choice is maybe to leave these services.

@echo_pbreyer Your page refers to encrypted messages; is that actually from something the EU has written or your own deduction? I.e., have they actually addressed the issue or are they still too clueless to realise that messaging providers aren't necessarily in control of the client software?

@echo_pbreyer Thanks. Must admit I gave up in exasperation at page 18. They really have absolutely no clue whatsoever, have they?

@echo_pbreyer

Ok, so, who has experienced that a written sentence or emoji in a text message was misunderstood by friend or family, needing more messages to explain the intended meaning? 🙋

Surely, automated scanning and people you never met will understand all tests correctly, will they? Or is there any possibility that a text snippet could fall out of context? Could that ever happen to.. say.. someone having given an interview? -> politicians?

Thanks for pushing back, Patrick and Greens/EFA

@miklo @echo_pbreyer

That is a brilliant idea 😂 It should be made mandatory for e.g. official government accounts, so that individuals don't run into problems from using it. "Officials" would have better chance to request disacknowledgement of algorithmically generated negative scores

@echo_pbreyer do you have list with personal voting result ? I can't believe in what i see...

@petros @echo_pbreyer Hosting as much as possible on own servers or in neutral countries. Especially services where private messaging does matter (social group oriented: friendica, hubzilla, zap...)

@miklo Unfortunately your correspondents won't be able to self-host. Public institutions don't encrypt and anyway, they know more about you.

Emails are flawed. :/ Does it worth the effort?
Sure, spare emails over different recipients on different providers is not much compared to have your whole mail activity with one provider.

So, yeah, we should self-host. Just replying to myself :)

@petros @echo_pbreyer

@hicks @petros @echo_pbreyer Even with flawed emails: if we move to providers like proton or tutanota we can have either e2e encryption - when recipients use encryption too. I really can't imagine EU can legally force EU-located providers to block e2e encryption. We are still far away from China or Russia

@miklo @hicks @petros It violates fundamental rights and will eventually be annulled in court, but it can take years during which the legislation is in place.

@hicks @miklo @petros @echo_pbreyer there will probably never be a perfect communication tool, and more likelly every single one would be flawed in some way.

That is to say that giving up on any of them based on it's technological merits means giving away a fraction of the freedom one still has.

Don't give it up, we still need it :)

@tierce

> I can't believe in what i see...

I can.

Consider that only a handful of #MEP could tell apart a #computer from a five legged #rhinoceros with a cocaine habit.

@miklo @echo_pbreyer

@echo_pbreyer do you have a link? I cannot seem to find this anywhere...

@pamaca
Thanks but, sorry, I meant a link to the results of the vote: I cannot find it the EU parliament page
@echo_pbreyer

@echo_pbreyer I can't believe this. Whatever happened to privacy as a basic human right? Whatever happened to the secrecy of correspondence? Why are European representatives suddenly so sure that citizens can't be trusted to have private conversations?

@mplammers @echo_pbreyer Some criminals do not even need privacy to able to operate, especially in high corporate and political positions.

@mplammers @kakure @echo_pbreyer

The CDA is like the Dutch equivalent of Dianne Feinstein, they are ALWAYS in favor of mass surveillance. 🙄
In the case of 'Grappemaker', it's even worse, being upset when they're the 'victim' of the measure they approved themselves.

@echo_pbreyer problem is we have allowed "private" companies to harvest our data for years and probably should have seen this coming. Now we have to rely on those same companies who clearly don't have our best interests at heart to push back against this.

@paoloredaelli It violates this fundamental right and will eventually be annulled in court, but it can take years during which the legislation is in place.

@echo_pbreyer
Thank you for the information. When did the EU Parliament vote on this matter?

@echo_pbreyer wait are we doing the “won’t somebody please think of the children” thing again :blobcatderpy:

@echo_pbreyer This pandemic if is not an great enabler for our bosses, I don't know what it is.

0,03% of global loss in 15months but an unprecedented attack on our freedom... during a peaceful age.
Diverting us with an unproved vaccine (yes, I read the CDC paper) that they can't even deliver but that you have to take every 3 months to be sure to maintain us in such situation.

Digression, sure. BUT why are they working on this topic RIGHT NOW ?!

@echo_pbreyer then corrupt governators should be the first ones millions not pennys

@selea
Sadly E2E in emails do not cover metadata AFAIK (sender and recipient especially) and those are almost always more than enough to those having evil deeds 😥
@echo_pbreyer

Op momenten als deze twijfel ik aan het Europees Parlement. Man, man, man.

@echo_pbreyer Do you have a link for the vote? Or more info on when the vote happened? I am in contact with my MP

@echo_pbreyer That's crazy. Maybe yall need to vote in some different people next time.

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