Majority of the European Parliament welcomes the Commission's intention to oblige e-mail, messaging and chat providers to search all private messages for allegedly illegal material and report to the police (#chatcontrol) by 580:76:37.
Act now to stop indiscriminate messaging and #chatcontrol: https://t1p.de/21yv
@echo_pbreyer And #5 is not to ignore reality: already since some time millions of users of GMX / WEB.de do only have the option of not using the great new "intelligent inbox" feature. The new AGB requires agreement to content evaluation / metadata generation. Best choice is maybe to leave these services.
@LaQuadrature votre avis là-dessus serait très intéressant ! https://www.patrick-breyer.de/?page_id=594160&lang=en
@echo_pbreyer This is nuts. 🤦♂️
@echo_pbreyer Your page refers to encrypted messages; is that actually from something the EU has written or your own deduction? I.e., have they actually addressed the issue or are they still too clueless to realise that messaging providers aren't necessarily in control of the client software?
@echo_pbreyer Thanks. Must admit I gave up in exasperation at page 18. They really have absolutely no clue whatsoever, have they?
Ok, so, who has experienced that a written sentence or emoji in a text message was misunderstood by friend or family, needing more messages to explain the intended meaning? 🙋
Surely, automated scanning and people you never met will understand all tests correctly, will they? Or is there any possibility that a text snippet could fall out of context? Could that ever happen to.. say.. someone having given an interview? -> politicians?
Thanks for pushing back, Patrick and Greens/EFA
That is a brilliant idea 😂 It should be made mandatory for e.g. official government accounts, so that individuals don't run into problems from using it. "Officials" would have better chance to request disacknowledgement of algorithmically generated negative scores
@echo_pbreyer do you have list with personal voting result ? I can't believe in what i see...
@petros @echo_pbreyer Hosting as much as possible on own servers or in neutral countries. Especially services where private messaging does matter (social group oriented: friendica, hubzilla, zap...)
@echo_pbreyer do you have a link? I cannot seem to find this anywhere...
@pamaca
Thanks but, sorry, I meant a link to the results of the vote: I cannot find it the EU parliament page
@echo_pbreyer
@silmathoron @pamaca It's vote B9-0164/2021 - § 13/2: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2021-03-11-RCV_FR.pdf
@echo_pbreyer Where can one get these overview graphics from?
@waywardchild We create them ourselves
@echo_pbreyer Okay, so, are they available on the pirate's homepage?
@echo_pbreyer I can't believe this. Whatever happened to privacy as a basic human right? Whatever happened to the secrecy of correspondence? Why are European representatives suddenly so sure that citizens can't be trusted to have private conversations?
@echo_pbreyer problem is we have allowed "private" companies to harvest our data for years and probably should have seen this coming. Now we have to rely on those same companies who clearly don't have our best interests at heart to push back against this.
@echo_pbreyer
What about the Secrecy of correspondence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence ?
It is one of the prerequisites of democracy
@paoloredaelli It violates this fundamental right and will eventually be annulled in court, but it can take years during which the legislation is in place.
@echo_pbreyer
Thank you for the information. When did the EU Parliament vote on this matter?
@echo_pbreyer wait are we doing the “won’t somebody please think of the children” thing again 
@xerz @echo_pbreyer in order to protect children from hackers we must prevent them from having tools that protect their data from snooping.
𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 
E2E seems to be the only solution nowadays
@selea
Sadly E2E in emails do not cover metadata AFAIK (sender and recipient especially) and those are almost always more than enough to those having evil deeds 😥
@echo_pbreyer
Op momenten als deze twijfel ik aan het Europees Parlement. Man, man, man.
@echo_pbreyer Do you have a link for the vote? Or more info on when the vote happened? I am in contact with my MP
@samuel Thanks for following up. Does this help? https://nitter.mastodont.cat/echo_pbreyer/status/1370775110488055810
@echo_pbreyer That's crazy. Maybe yall need to vote in some different people next time.
@echo_pbreyer @openscience clearly the problem here is multi-fold - but at the outset “legal or illegal’’ is like the direction of smoke in the wind. aside from that, suppose tens of millions are guilty, what then, incarcerate the entire country? or half of it? if this happened in the united states, nearly the whole of the country would be in jail, imho. now to follow the tag, because this is alarming.
@echo_pbreyer can you also link the source of information?
@echo_pbreyer Majority of European Parliament welcomes forcing chat app providers out of Europe.
@echo_pbreyer F*** that. Next thing they will oblige people to record their affairs in the bedroom, to make sure it was all consensual. Where will this stop?
Of course with freedom you will have the dark side of this - truly illegal activities. But those activities will always find a way to happen. To use this as an excuse to clamp down on our rights and freedoms is indeed tyrannical.
It just means more of us will run our own private servers and the advent of more mature P2P communication
@echo_pbreyer
This required level of moderation will probably be hurting platforms like Mastodon, no?
@echo_pbreyer I wonder how they think this is supposed to work. How are ETEE mail providers going to inspect the contents of the messages? What if a user sends encrypted mail with S/MIME? Are ETEE messaging services outlawed? How are providers supposed to comply in this cases?
@pablo_escobar With #chatcontrol scanning is voluntary, but with #chatcontrol2.0 follow-up legislation it will be mandatory. Communications services that offer #E2EE encryption clients may be forced to implement client-side scanning backdoors. Clients encrypting communications with external software won't be covered.
@echo_pbreyer This is insane
@einer So far #Chatcontrol applies to communications services. Fediverse servers don't qualify. But the follow-up legislation #Chatcontrol2.0 is supposed to apply to social networks as well. Details yet to be announced.
@echo_pbreyer
Cool so mandatory it will be for the enterprises since they are their own mail providers generally speaking.
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#chatcontrol will mean privatised #masssurveillance and the end of digital #secrecyofcorrespondence. It is not only inefficient but counter-productive, dangerous and causes severe collateral damage, including to children: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/?page_id=594160&lang=en