Once again thinking about getting an e-bike. I'd love to be able to do larger distances than what I currently dare to (~10km), and I think having some motor support would expand my options a ton. It might even be possible to do (some of) the drives to and from the boulder gym by bike (20km)?

Currently looking at options within the 3 to 4k€ range. Undecided on Bosch vs Yamaha. So far interested in bikes from Haibike, Raymon, Ghost, Winora. Definitely want to test, makes Radon tricky. #!t

What would be important to me is that the battery can be easily removed as I can't charge where the bike is stored, and I saw that the newer in frame options might be a bit hit or miss in that regard? Any experiences there?

And I'd love to know why most racks on trekking e-bikes in that price range seem to lack the lower second rail for putting rack bags on easily, which my 750€ Pegasus Solero from 2018 came with from the start.

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Should clarify (just in case), the distance to the gym is 20km one way, so 40km round trip with a one hour plus climbing workout in the middle. Which usually leaves my legs in working order though ^^

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@foosel The distance should be doable on most E-Bike, unless you want to fly up each climb with maximum speed and power. I've personally never ridden an e-bike, but lots of my mountainbike friends do and we regularly do tours >30km and >700m of climbing.

From the brands above I can highly recommend Ghost. I have Nirvana Tour and Riot Trail and both are great moutainbikes. From what I can tell they are designed by and for bike-nerds. I'd expect their city/trekking e-bikes to be equally good.

@foosel The charging is in really a bit of hit and miss. You can remove the battery from most in frame bikes, but not all of them support charging it outside of the bike.
For reasons that are probably stupid neither the battery nor the bike manufacturers find it necessary to state that feature (or lack their of) in their spec sheets.

@sebastian I have a BOC24 store 20min by car away, will see that I give them a visit next week or so... I guess looking at things personally should make it easy to identify whether loading externally is an option and also give me a chance to test drive.

@foosel Haven't had the best experience buying a bike online from BOC24. Their frame size chart was wrong. I would have gotten a bike that's to large if I hadn't noticed. Their e-mail and telephone support kept insisting it was right... Shouldn't be a problem in a store, where you can just take a look at the actual bike.

Also being able to test drive is really important. No use in having a nice bike with good components if it feels weird or even unconformable to ride.

@sebastian Yeah, buying online feels totally wrong for me for that reason. Also same issue with the frame size, according to their wizard I should go for 55 but my current (human powered) bike has a 52 frame with 28" wheels and THAT is close to my limit already.

In person I'd just sit down and test and be sure. Strong suspicion that 48 is actually better.

Not being able to test and unclear partner shop situation is also why I'm currently ignoring Radon, even though they look good.

@foosel Sounds like a similar problem. BOC24 really tries to size frames according to the length/height of the seat post tube. As far as I can tell that's coming from road bikes. However manufacturers themselves moved away from a single measurement, because modern bikes have a lot more adjustability. So they rather specify something like framesize M which works for riders within a certain range of arm and leg length. So BOC tries to convert their sizing charts and fails in some cases.

@foosel My former roommate was a real mountain bike nerd. (He designs frames for a living now.) He also build my first real mountainbike from cheap second hand parts. We spend way to much time nerding about frame geometries, ergonomics, suspension setups and stuff like that, which probably makes a me horribly difficult customer for any bike shop.

@sebastian Heh, can imagine ^^ I'm pretty tame in that regard I guess. I do some research beforehand to have a rough idea of what I even want and what my budget is and then take it from there.

@foosel @sebastian You should definitely try a ride on one. They are much heavier, which kind of bothered me when considering it for a mountain ride. But maybe not an issue on your commutes.

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