Updated reminder of why is far from optimal:

- No : every account is tied to a phone number
- Not , until recently. Server source code was undisclosed for a year to hide their plans to turn Signal into a bank
- No
- Dark UI pattern: The PIN feature (enabled by default) uploads your contacts to the cloud without informing the user, albeit encrypted.
- Tries to be a bank

Original: chaos.social/@hut/105985100215

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Great alternatives to that check all the boxes (, , , , -free):

- : briarproject.org
- : delta.chat
- : matrix.org
- / : xmpp.org (It aged very well, supports signal-like encyption and battery-efficient mobile apps now. If you dismissed it in the past, I encourage you to give it another try.)

@hut i appreciate jwz rants about signal very much:

"It is clear from its design and behavior that Signal's priority is to be a social network first and an encryption tool second."

jwz.org/blog/2021/04/signal-ho

@hut
That's not true! To use Matrix you have to fill out Google reCaptcha. And no, running your own Server isn't user-friendly.

@tpheine Perhaps there's another public matrix server that doesn't require you to use Google reCaptcha?

Either way, this is a much smaller roadblock to anonymity/privacy than e.g. mandatory phone number entry. You could e.g. boot up for registering. Or am I misunderstanding your problem?

@hut
I don't have a problem. You just lied when you said "Great alternatives to #Signal that check all the boxes (#decentralization, #privacy, #opensource, #anonymous, #cryptocurrency-free)", because Matrix isn't anonymous hence doesn't respect privacy.

And in my opinion it's way more worse to give a 3rd party like Google, that has nothing to do with Matrix at all, your credentials, than a Foundation a phone number, whose service you are willing to use.

All I want is honesty!

@tpheine Unfortunately I can't edit the toot, but thank you for warning the readers with your follow-up.

@hut
I respect your reaction and communication! More people should be like you. Thank you very much, I tip my hat to you!

@jpaul Threema seems like a nice company, but then again, so did the Signal Foundation. What do you do when they try to abuse their power?

@hut
Would that be the same level of risk with any host? I'm not in a position to self-host.

@jpaul What if your email provider or mastodon server goes nuts? You can simply switch servers/providers, and still talk to the same people, using the same protocol. You don't have to self-host to get the advantages of decentralization. :)

@hut

I would add also Jami to that: Jami.net
P2P, distributed, multi device

@pronto
Jedyny plus to taki, że można przenosić konto na inne urządzenie.
Wg mnie lepszym jest #Briar. Jest to rozbudowany tox chyba z własnym protokołem. Niestety nie można go przenieść na nowe urządzenie. Przynajmniej ja nie umiem.
@hut

@hut What about @session ? I believe it checks all the boxes too, I really like this app, no phone numbers, tor network to deliver messages, etc …

@an0n @session Session seems definitely interesting. Why I didn't include it in the list:

1. Under the hood it runs on cryptocurrencies. Not sure what to make of that. It sure adds a profit incentive to everything they say and do.
2. Did you try using Session in a decentralized way? As in, setting up your own Session network and using that instead of the main one? The app doesn't even have a feature for changing the network. Not sure what to make of that either.

@hut

okkkk, thank for the link and the explanations ^^

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