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I will never understand why projects move their communication to . 🤦‍♂️

@aaron I don't think it's convenient to move to a closed source plattform that provides no value over mattermost or matrix.

@jrt from the perspective of convenience there is at least one advantage over matrix and mattermost: you don't have to do all the sysadmin stuff you'd otherwise have to do to achieve a stable and usable platform. Discord provides a platform that just works™ — mattermost and matrix don't.

@aaron there is hosting as a service. And if you really don't want to deal with anything related there are non gaming focused older alternative's like slack. Maybe it's just me who does not like to switch from IRC and mailing lists

@jrt I'm not arguing that it's good to move to pseudo-public platforms when there are better alternatives, especially when you're doing FLOSS. But sadly, neither mailing lists nor IRC are convenient alternatives. And how does SaaS differ from discord?

@aaron I didn't thought that you're in favor of that. I just want to understand why people's at foss project's think it's a good idea.
SaaS: in a lot of cases it's still your instance. The provider is just a hoster and updates your instance for you. There are a lot of these hosters that do not collect data, as it's not part of their business model.

@aaron @jrt I don't know about Mattermost, but the developers of Matrix do provide you with a platform that Just Works if you want it: modular.im

@jrt Because everyone is doing it (tm). Why are you smoking? Dude, because everyone is doing it! Why are you throwing your trash into the environment? Because everyone is doing it! Why are not meeting your CO2 guidelines? Sir, this is simply the case because our community is only emitting 1.3% of the worldwide total yearly CO2 emissions.

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I think I get it, but I still am disappointed by it.

@jrt Especially when we have Riot and it's great.

@jrt @vurpo less barrier to entry for end users. Most real discussion still happens on IRC/Matrix, or Gitter, which is open source in theory

@xananax @vurpo I've noticed that too. However, I've see project's that moved their core team discussions over to discord and telegram. The worst projects I've seen have a dedicated channel that they use as an issue tracker.

@jrt People see some value that we fail to see but that value ends up being more important.

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