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in light of recent events

It's NOT OK to use as a video conference "solution" for your anti-capitalist meetup (oh, the irony!) or group or whatever.

Or even a regular conference.

Those seemingly innocuous "tools" aren't really free.

It's not a neutral choice. It excludes critical people.

So please, PLEASE if you know an expert, DO ASK THEM FIRST before deciding based on what you think you know!

They might well be able to help out with something that's just as good but ethical.

What's questionable about ?

They misled the public on :

theverge.com/2020/11/9/2155707

They offered "attention tracking" as a devilishly invasive snooping feature:

medium.com/swlh/zoom-are-you-s

They censored Chinese :

finance.yahoo.com/news/zoom-pr

But:

Even if they claim some of these things are fixed: A Is. Not. A. .

It can't be, if it's a commercial enterprise with no particular focus on privacy.

It simply turns your conference into a commercial product.

@quincy
Some addendum:
If you have a problem to be solved and you ask an expert for a solution, describe the _problem_, not the tools to be used.
And listen to her answers.

@wuffel Precisely! Or if you already have a preconceived solution, at least be open to the expert's suggestions and especially the *reasons*. There's a good chance she really *does* know better, in this particular field, and even if you think it's a question of priorities maybe, just maybe, the critical expert really *is* the one best placed to assess these ... just like she'd listen to you in non-IT things maybe ...

@wuffel The problem with IT today: everyone thinks they're an expert. 🤔

Sadly, it's been the dominating theme of IT policy (suddenly every minister is a "Digitalisierung Cyber 4.0" expert just because they know someone who sells snakeoil)

And while I'm referring here to an incident that happened to me just recently, I see it repeated all over the place, not just in politics. It's even true that these things have become easy to use, but marketing tips the scale towards harmful products ...

@wuffel Now that they've decided on (even though I could have procured them an Openslides and BBB for free) I need to tell them that their choice is ridiculously inappropriate given the focus of the organization and that it excludes critically-minded people and abuses vulnerable ones, but how to do that without it coming across as some personal mannerism or matter of taste I'm not sure.

@wuffel In this instance, as in so many others, the proverbial "child" may have "fallen into the well".

@quincy
Yapp.
If your car doesnt do it right, you bring it to a repairshop and are told, some screw in the carbureter has to be replaced, you won't discuss this and argue sth. like "but cant we cleanup the mirrors instead?"
But if its about something digital, the most complex machinery we ever build, everyone seems to be expert.
.oO(Next holiday - not this planet again.)

@wuffel absolutely 😆 a very apt picture & description of what's going wrong.

@quincy @wuffel yeah, and just to put a fine point on it, the problem might be "how can I safely communicate in real time with group X", and not "what's the best videoconferencing software that uses encryption". because there may be very effective ways of communicating with group X that don't use videoconferencing software or anything like it, but still get the job done.

@stvo @senfcall Yes! And it's one of the solutions I'd always recommend. Thanks @senfcall!

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