Honestly, use what does the job for you best, but stop complaining about other people's setup when it works for them and does not keep them from doing the actual work.
@raichoo I feel you. People having loud opinions on other people's private setups are just … whyyy?!
Rule of thumb: have a loud opinion if it impacts you. Shared server? Go, discuss setups and tools. Other people's workstations? Nope, as long as they don't impact you (eg by being a security risk).
@rixx IKR. I chose this OS because I actually know how to use it. That's not a statement against using Linux or Mac. Yet my setup gets trash talked for petty reasons. *sigh* Anyway, won't have to deal with this much longer.
@raichoo Yeah, I get the same when I mention that I'm using Arch on my laptop and in prod. It's the system I know how to use, and I know where everything is – if Debian or 'buntu or *BSD works for others the same way, great, more power to them.
@rixx Totally, monocultures are not what we should be striving for.
@rixx I also think that it's totally bizarre to criticize your use of Arch. I mean it's not even an uncommon OS choice, give me a break. Most Linux folks I know are using it, I know that this is a bubble but it's not like you are using a fringe distro there.
@raichoo It's gotten a bit better, I think? A year or two ago Arch hit some kind of share among users that made the comments go away, but before that it was a lot, especially re: running it in production.
Interesting how nerd culture tends to encourage explaining "better" alternatives or shit-talking over curiosity and openness. "ohh, interesting, you're using FreeBSD on your workstation? Cool! What's the update/release cycle like?" stems from a similar place, but is 100% better.
@rixx I admit that I also have a very strong opinion on things but usually back off when people tell me "you might be right (or wrong), I really want to form my own opinion on that". Nothing beats genuine curiosity, and I never want to discourage that. I also agree that asking questions like that is so much more valuable because it really leads to an open ended discussion. If talking to each other is not about insight but being right it's usually not worth it.
@rixx I believe that I still have some remainders of toxic nerd culture going on, most of them stem from deep rooted frustration regarding the state of things. But I'm working on getting better.
@raichoo Aren't we all <3
@raichoo Yeah sure, I have strong opinions too. And in a high-trust environment (like shit-talking with friends) I'll be happy to share all the reasons I think Ubuntu is not suitable for production servers etc
But doing so in a low-trust environment like a conference, or a hackerspace, or on social media doesn't add to the conversation, and provides a role-model for being a dickhead. Modeling acceptable behaviour is important, and is one of my main considerations (though I fail often enough).
@rixx Learning by doing :D
@raichoo yes, please. I am so sick of these discussions
@raichoo I was *just* having this conversation, looked up at my laptop and saw this post cross my timeline.
@phessler @raichoo Remember: You have always the option of letting the other person talk until they are tired, then letting the silence go on, and then tell them: "That is an opinion one could have, I suppose.", in maximum British butler mode. (The "kill them with politeness" version is "Thank you for sharing your opinion")
Friends! Romans! Countrymen! Lend me your ears!
I come to bury Linux, not to praise it.
The evil systems do lives after them;
The good is often interred in retro fandoms;
So let it be with Linux. The noble Windows
Hath told you Linux was amateurish.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And rantingly hath Linus answer'd it.
@phessler *sigh* Oh boy, that's annoying :/
@raichoo no, it was a good version of this conversation :)
@phessler Yeah, I just figured it out after reading the entire backlog :)
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