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Maybe pin it to your profile? Or we could find a good hashtag for this?
@l Works for me, let's see if others play along.
@rixx Already done with Dune? Man, you're way faster than I was.
@Aarkon Haha, only with the first volume! After getting through the first parts, the pace picked up nicely, I thought. As often with scifi, great worldbuilding, not-so-great characters.
@rixx In this regard, I can recommend the second volume, because it focuses a lot more on the character traits in genereal and on what power makes of Paul and how he struggles with the decissions he has to make especially.
I do have an epub somehwere if you're interested. ;)
@Aarkon I'm good on the ebook. My main problem wasn't the lack of character traints, but the distribution: Paul was extremely Mary Sue-ish, and about everybody else either Good or Evil, excepting maybe Jessica.
@rixx I read that toot and that is why I recommend the second iteration. 😉
Paul's character is not different in Messiah, but his powers don't suddenly turn the story around.
@ScriptFanix @Aarkon I see your point but I disagree with the consequences. I know fiction that depicts the struggle of corporations and countries well without resorting to flat characters. And I disagree with viewing organisations as persons on principle, as that's lazy arguing and lazy storytelling. They can be seen as something like an alien race, sure, but no law of scifi says "if you focus on an alien race, all humans have to be boring".
@ScriptFanix @Aarkon Sure, it's valid to say "Dune on its own is not a book, you NEED to read all the books." I'm not a fan of authors who don't manage to build at least some story arch into each book they release, as I argue that this is the point of a book, but alright. Since not everybody has the time and the money to read seven books, this makes the series that less inaccessible.
(I'm also confused as how my "judging" is unfair when I say that it's a good book, but hey.)
@ScriptFanix @rixx Also, I kind of disagree with the Mary Sue aspect of Paul, at least a bit: Paul's skill set is not a coincidence or an indicator for bad writing, but he is the result of millennia of breeding by the Bene Gesserit. There are in fact even characters who can match him, e.g. his sister. Therefore, you might as well take them both as a super heroes.
@ScriptFanix @rixx That said, I'm absolutely with you concerning the black & white characters. I literally snorted when Baron Harkonnen, in addition to being abominably fat, was described as also paedophile.
In Dune Messiah, there are still lots of individuals far on the bad end of the spectrum, but the heroes struggle a lot more in my opinion. I honestly think you might like it even better. 😉
@jaltek To be honest, I tried Otherland when I was ~14 and didn't really get into it. It's probably time to try again.
(I mean, I enjoyed the Lord of the Rings when I was 9, so it's not that it was too slow or too epic)
@jaltek The only other book by Tad Williams I read was "The Dirty Streets of Heaven", which didn't impress me.
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Ok enough debating about Dune😉
Wich book from Ann McCaffrey would you recommend besides the crystal singer (not sure that's the correct English title)?
@rixx Book recommendations, not sure you don't already know, mostly #scifi: Early William Gibson (Neuromancer et al). Early Neal Stephenson (Snow Crash, Diamond Age). Anything by P.K. Dick (Time out of joint, Do androids ... aka 'Blade Runner', ... ). Charles Stross (Halting State). If you want stranger stuff: Sean Stewart (Nightwatch) or Jeff Noon (Pollen, Yellow, Vurt). 😉
@rixx Is it possible to pin more then one toot?
@tasmo Yeah. Not sure if there's an upper limit, but I've seen people with at least three pinned statuses.
@rixx thats a great idea!
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