New PC saga continues: it boots, it runs, it's fast and pretty! It's also very loud, so apparently I get to change the CPU fan/cooler on Friday. Joy.

Also: This is the first time I built a PC, so: WTF is it with the lack of documentation / manuals? The mainboard and CPU and video card manuals were beyond useless for putting the thing together, and without the help of @rash I'd have been hopelessly lost.

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Sure, some parts are obvious, and even I know how to install the memory, but other parts are less intuitive or just more dicey, and the instructions had a granularity of "Put in memory, CPU, video card, then connect everything, congrats, you're done!"

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@rixx Yep, sounds typical.

I remember the first time putting memory in, had to use way more force then expected (they changed that, no force required :).

Computer manuals, as far you get them, are made for people who know already, they're more technical details that are different between systems.

For proper manuals you need to look at community made stuff(like howto videos or so), not from manufacturers.

component manufacturers haven't cared about end-user documentation for 20 years or so.

@wmd Yeah, I know. It's an accessibility nightmare and it annoys me a lot.

@rixx Poor documentation is I think one of the bigger problems in IT-infra. But I also wouldn't rely on companies for that anyway.

But good job and good luck getting it all to work!

@wmd @rixx I remember when I started with computers, manuals were huge and contained a ton of details. Nowadays they just expect you to know what to do... I mean, have you ever seen a box being shipped with a Windows manual?

@xpac @wmd @rixx That annoys me every time and I have to look up and research stuff to not accidently break someting.
However the good side of assembling stuff yourself is that it lasts quite long. AFAIK _every_ computer I assembled is still running and doing something useful. Even when only used as "intelligent typewriter" 😉

@dwardoric @wmd @rixx to be fair, a lot of the complicated stuff has gone now and a lot of it is actually "just connect things", no more jumpers to set, IRQ to consider when picking a card slot (actually, almost no more cards besides graphics), no more master/slave logic on hard drives/CD, dual BIOS to avoid breaking on upgrade... nevertheless I killed a mainboard while mounting the CPU fan because it needed extreme force to attach it...


@xpac @dwardoric @wmd Yeah, for sure! It's pretty easy considering the outcome, but that does not mean it's easy, especially if you've never done it before. My mainboard manual failed to mention even things like CPU orientation. Sure, you can argue that "look for the arrows and align them" is common sense, but oof.

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@rixx @xpac @wmd Some time ago I had to patch the BIOS of a mainboard because it wouldn't boot the CPU otherwise. That sucked but on the pro side it was possible to flash the BIOS without a CPU on board. IIRC that would have been impossible back in the day.

@dwardoric @rixx @wmd that, and also being able to flash from USB stick instead of some proprietary Windows tool, or floppy disk...

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