hahaha oh god bad writing meets bad acting (sorry Atreyu, Bastian is a 100% better actor here)
"You have to try! You have to care! For me! … Stupid horse!" lool
(I understand this is childhood trauma for some people, but uhm.)
@rixx I believe we have similar editions. Is that the edition where writing is in two colors depending on wether it's Bastian reading the book?
@tokudan "the edition" – that's the case in all versions (though with different colours in later editions), because it's a load-bearing feature of the text.
@rixx this was fun, thanks for sharing! I've seen the movie multiple times back then, read the book multiple times back then, and I know it's pretty hyped up in more... esoteric circles. Perhaps I should read it again, but I fear my toe nails would fall off bc of gender roles and probably implicit racism, iirc.
@TQ I have Thoughts re: gender roles.
As noted in my thread, there are little-to-no women in the book, and the women there are (comedic sidekick, gender-transcending girl-empress, mother figure, evil sorceress, dead mum) slot neatly into types, and not particularly interesting ones.
But also: It's a book about a boy in a pretty shitty situation and what he's wishing for. You could legitimately integrate femininity there, but you can also legitimately do it without.
@TQ I like this "honest" omission and focus on Bastian + Atreju more than the (later) customary token girl. Same reason I used to prefer ??? over TKKG.
@rixx yes, I agree. It's totally the reason I read ??? and not TKKG, which was excruciating in its repetition of stereotypes. I know how to genderbend in my head, but it is tiring to have to do it each and every time.
And as time has passed, I see that putting effort into accurate depictions of marginalized groups as indicator of quality. As I'm one whose identities are often omitted or objectified in many works of literature and art, I choose to seek out the better works.
@TQ @rixx it's an interesting point, but I guess now that I think about it that I prefer "no representation" to "terrible representation", and Gabi was one of the worst in that regard (lemme mention "Die Ferienbande" as a persiflage here).
I've come to notice this again with children books for our little ones. Most that we now own at least contain humans with non-white skin, but any family besides 👪 is still rare to non existent...
Had to look up the actress, and found this on Birdside:
@rixx oh right, I remember that Englishpeople don't like the uvular fricative, even in words like "loch" they often butcher it as /k/ and… well, then "Fuchur" would indeed not be a very good name to pronounce.
@rixx hey, it's been bluescreen at that time (green backgrounds took another 10 years or so), and in 1982, it's been the latest technology!
Probably the same trap many 00 films have fallen into: Use the latest tech (the computer animations look crappy today)
@rixx Ich kann mich noch erinnern, wie ich damals mit meinem Vater im Kino saß und geheult habe. Dabei hat mein Vater mich wohlweislich schon vorher auf diese Szene vorbereitet...
@blabber Ja, klar, auf Kinder macht das nen völlig anderen Eindruck. Ich werd aus ähnlichen Gründen sicherlich den Ronja-Räubertochter-Film nicht noch mal gucken, der bleibt mir gefälligst in Erinnerung, wie er damals war.
@dwardoric Der würde heute wegen der Nacktszenen ("Waschtag! Raus mit euch!") aber harte Kritik einfahren :)
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