What happens when prison reforms lead to more, invasive prison? How do we abolish? What could justice look like?

We chatted with about "Prison By Any Other Name" (co-authored with , 2020 The New Press).

@thefinalstrawradio I'm enjoying this interview. I feel like Vikki gave a lot of helpful tips on how to get by without calling the police, and I liked the way she described the problems of policing and punishment in the US.

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