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no but seriously the danger of the continued 9€-Ticket is that it is a slippery slope:
- people would buy less cars
- if we can make it 9€, we could also make it free, getting rid of the ticketing infrastructure and ticket inspection, which would save cost
- if it turns out that can provide public transportation for free, people might think what else could be done that benefits everyone and financed by everyone
- next up people will want a UBI??
- people will be harder to exploit
- less profit

· · SubwayTooter · 5 · 102 · 139

@uint8_t I love that the association of public transport in Germany is against continuing the 9€-ticket, because the additional load on the staff is too great. Because, obviously, that's the biggest problem, which is also impossible to solve!

@attilakinali @uint8_t Deutsche Bahn - the only organization that actively discourages people from using their services. All das und noch mehr - bei Ihrer Deutschen Bahn :)

@uint8_t It would be interesting to find out just how much ticketing actually costs for major networks. All those fare machines, the card processing fees, the comms required, the fare barriers and their card readers, maintenance for it all, plus any inspectors if used..

@porsupah @uint8_t In Germany, where you can have ticketing machines from 4 different companies at the same train station....quite a lot.

Cost and flexibility is one of the reasons why Switzerland switched to a purely electronic system almost a decade ago. More or less the only people who still use the ticket machines are the tourists.

Funnily though, the on-train ticket checks actually save money, by discouraging vandalism (yes, Switzerland learned that the hard way).

@porsupah @uint8_t it's pretty cheap if the fare machines are always left broken and you just collect the occasional penalty i guess, which is definitely not a thing in germany, naaah

@uint8_t I don’t think making the trains free would get us rid of the ticketing infrastructure: you’d still need a way to book a place and make sure a train won’t be overbooked. But yeah, you’re right about the ticket inspection. And all the rest. Let’s wish some politicians see the light…
…at the end of the tunnel? 😂​

@FredricT you're not required to reserve a seat, and on some trains it isn't even possible

@FredricT @uint8_t The only reason why Germany needs a seat booking system is because they are not putting up enough trains. And because they can charge extra for that.

Reserved seats are, at least in Europe, mostly a German thing. In most other countries you do that only if you are traveling long distance in high-speed trains or when you are in large groups.

If you want to know how one can get half the population commuting by train and still have enough space, just look at Switzerland.

@attilakinali @FredricT @uint8_t Calling it a German thing when here almost nobody reserves seat and it's mandatory in many other EU countries (for ICE class trains) is a bit hilarious.

@juliank @FredricT @uint8_t Not really. Look at, for example, the TGV. Reserving seats is mandatory. But the price of reserving seats is included in the price of the ticket. It's not an extra item to buy. The SNCF does not play games like the DB does. They offer a public service after all.

Also, I've never been in a TGV that was overbooked. Yet, I've been in many ICE where it was impossible to even get to my seat because people were squished in like sardines.

This is what I'm criticizing.

@attilakinali @juliank @FredricT yes there should be more capacity in general, but I would argue that riding on an overfilled ICE is better than seeing a TGV leave the station without you because it was booked out and you wasn't able to buy a ticket anymore

@attilakinali @juliank @FredricT also, the seat reservation on a TGV is not free, as any interrail user will tell you.

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- cities would be nicer places and then not only rich people could live in nice places

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