Over the past 15 years of using #XMPP, I've seen many messengers come and go. People complain about the hassle of switching messengers, but many express a preference for the "simplicity" of gated gardens.... Do they count the cost of switching as well?
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@xamanu I agree, but le's be honest : XMPP servers come up and down as well.
Even Riseup is shuting down its own as well.
Do you know many servers who lasted for 15 years ?
How to guess which servers are really gonna last ?
@xamanu I absolutly agree and my favorites are XMPP and Matrix but I don't think they are mainstream "compatible". As you pointed out before most users want the simplicity of a wallet garden and for those Signal/Wire are probably the best we can do. These people aren't willing to make the compromises a p2p approach requires ether so they probably won't switch to Matrix, XMPP, Tox, Briar, Session or any of those any time soon :/
@xamanu I wasn't talking about the difficulty both Matrix and XMPP are really easy nowdays but rather if the masses would be willing to adopt them. As far as I can see it's unlikely that XMPP will ever recieve broad enough adoption to be the defacto default messenger while Signal shows seriouse potential. Idk if it's the ease of use or just because they where the best for a while but in the current situation I will continue to push Signal. I myself are a bit of a Matrix fanboy tho.
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@xamanu Yeah if we had used xmpp (jabber at the time) instead of MSN messenger we wouldn't had lost so many friend connections now.
No idea about the state here, sorry. Bridges are always a challenge. And if I remember correctly the difficulty on matrix and xmpp is the fundamental difference in handing direct chats and multi user chats.
The guide is simply about setting up Snikket, it's not a firewall how-to or complete server security guide. There's no additional risk caused solely by installing Snikket without (or with) a firewall in place.
It would indeed be good to provide links to some general resources on securing servers, but actually trustworthy and simple resources are not always easy to find. Suggestions welcome!
@mattj I guess so :) Just thought it was a funny response to not having a firewall on a public facing server, especially one meant for communication. :)
Personally I would at least mention that it might be a good idea to have one, and since you are right that setting up one is outside the scope, just point to the documentation of some of the more common firewalls / firewall frontends such as iptables, nftables, netfilter, ufw, csf, apf.
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